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Gunfighting: How many shots are too many?
On the evening of March 25th, the Nye County Sheriff’s Office received a 911 call for a stabbing that had occurred.

Detectives quickly identified a prime suspect: a young man named Matthew Moore.

Moore’s records-check revealed he had a violent history – especially with law enforcement.

Two Nye County Detectives (Gibbs and Cooper) dispatched to the Moore home to question him.

Arriving at the residence, Detective Cooper knocked on the front door.

Detective Gibbs took up position on the north side of the house. The suspect’s mother answered the door and began talking with the detectives…

Suddenly, Moore appeared behind his mother, armed with a Mossberg model 500 12-gauge shotgun.

Using his mother as cover, Moore shot Detective Cooper twice, hitting him in the shoulder and the chest.

Moore then continued to stalk Detective Cooper, racking and firing a third round.

Detective Cooper fell backwards while fleeing the onslaught, and was caught helpless, lying on his back, staring down the barrel of a shotgun…

Moore stood over the detective, racked a fourth round into the chamber, and fired.

Then Moore racked a fifth round into the shotgun and prepared to execute Detective Cooper…

But, before he could fire the lethal fifth round, Detective Gibbs engaged Moore. Gibbs fired his Glock handgun 13 times, hitting Moore with 12 rounds, killing him.

The entire incident was captured on video thanks to the detectives’ body cameras and a surveillance camera across the street. Thankfully, Detective Cooper is expected to make a full recovery from his wounds.

But, even in this situation, some “bleeding hearts” will cry foul, claiming excessive use of force.

They’ll ask questions like:

Why did Gibbs need to fire 13 rounds? And why did he have to shoot Moore 12 times?

Rest assured, if you are ever involved in a self-defense shooting someone is going to Monday morning quarterback every decision you make.

So, here are some critical things to remember:

Stop the threat. The goal when your life is in immediate danger is to stop the threat. Notice, I didn’t say “kill the bad guy.” Stop the threat.

So, when training, focus on hitting vital areas that will give you the best chance of stopping the threat.

Once the threat is stopped you should stop using deadly force. There is no set amount of rounds that you should or should not fire…

You only stop when your life, or someone else’s life, is no longer in danger.

It doesn’t matter if this takes 2 rounds or 22 rounds to accomplish this.Train to shoot until the threat is stopped.

Articulation. The definition of articulate is “having the ability to speak coherently.” Now, I’m not saying you want to spill your guts after you are involved in a self-defense situation.

In fact, just the opposite…

You should be polite to the police, but tell them you would like to speak with your attorney. But when the time comes to share what happened, you need to be able to articulate your actions.

Again, there is no set number of rounds that you should or should not fire. If one round stops the deadly assault, you had better stop shooting after one round…

Like I said, if it takes 15 rounds, then shoot 15… Just be ready to articulate why you considered the person a threat during all of those 15 rounds you fired.

Bottom line: if you ever have to use your firearm in self-defense, stay in the fight until there is no longer a threat no matter how many rounds it takes.

This is the reason it’s a good idea to carry a spare magazine since you never know how many bullets it will take.

I know of one fellow who got in a gunfight and had 8 rounds in his 1911. He used all 8 rounds and survived, but he later told me he will now always carry a spare magazine.

Stopping a robbery in a post office in Brazil

In Brazil a guy walks into a post office 2 Rob the postmaster and a bystander pulls his his gun and stops the robbery.

Even more remarkable is the sheer speed at which the attack happens. From the time the armed robber walks into the building, only roughly six seconds transpire before the concealed carrier pulls his gun and fires. So in six seconds, the man recognizes the threat, moves his hand discreetly to his waistband, and draws his pistol. Footage shows him reacquire the gun to gain a better grip. Then he moves swiftly and fires into the gunman.

The other key fact that stands out is the conviction shown by the concealed carrier. Once he decides to fire, he keeps on firing until the suspect remains down. The very first shot appears to enter the suspect’s head. But he shockingly remains upright, potentially still a threat. The concealed carrier then keeps firing until the threat is completely down and out on the ground.

We don’t know many details on this one, but one thing is clear: a good guy with a gun saved lives. For more videos on personal defense, visit Personal Defense World on YouTube.

True gun control

Gun control is as follows finger out of the trigger until you’re ready to shoot, all guns are considered loaded, do not point it any gun at anything you don’t intend to destroy, know what’s behind on the sides in front of your Target before you shoot. Shoot until the threat is destroyed or gone. Focus on your front sight press trigger to the rear, push towards your target. That is the basis of gun control

14things to know


“Learn and follow the four safety rules established by Colonel Jeff Cooper. Burn them into your consciousness.” Safety with a handgun may be more important than with any other firearm. This is primarily because of how compact and wieldy a handgun is. Every year, shooters negligently shoot themselves with a handgun, most often while holstering the firearm, because it is easy to point a handgun at yourself.

  • First Rule: All guns are always loaded.
  • Second Rule: Never let the firearm’s muzzle cover anything that you are not willing to destroy.
  • Third Rule: Keep your finger off of the trigger until your sights are on target.
  • Fourth Rule: Always be sure of your target.


“Seek out good training.” Verify that the trainers are experienced and have a good reputation. And confirm the program of instruction that they are offering. If you are new to a handgun, it takes at least a week to get a solid grasp on the basics of running the platform; you want a fundamentals school, not a handgun adventure camp. Also, make sure don’t solely rely on DVDs or books. You need quality feedback to get better and improve. And make sure you avoid the fools and fakers on the Internet.


“Research what gun you need and know the difference between a concealed-carry gun, a range gun, a competition gun and a hunting gun.” Caliber/cartridge considerations should be part of this process. A good rule of thumb is to select the largest-caliber handgun you can comfortably carry and shoot with speed and precision.


“Try the various guns after your do your research.” Maybe even find a firearms training school or commercial range that will let you rent a gun and related equipment so you can discover if you interface well with the pistol. (This is an ideal thing to do before you take a weeklong course with a handgun you’re unfamiliar with.) Make sure the gun fits your hand, too. A good instructor can explain this and why it is crucial when it comes to quick and accurate shooting.


“Be prepared to spend a fair amount of money on a good gun.” You get what you pay for, and you’re only betting your (or your loved one’s) life on it. Pinch pennies and save a little longer if need be. Don’t settle for a defensive handgun.


“Don’t scrimp on spare magazines, holsters, magazine pouches and gun belts.” These items are an essential part of the personal protection package. They keep your pistol running, allow you to carry comfortably and prevent delays in training because you purchased crap that does not work or has broken after half a day on the range.


“Ammunition is important for both practice and carry.” Make common-sense decisions, avoid the latest “wonder” bullets and try to find similarities between the lifesaving and range training ammunition you use. In other words, if you carry a 115-grain load, practice with a 115-grain load.


“Verify that your carry ammo works in your handgun.” Ideally, you should be able to shoot 100 rounds of your carry ammo without a single stoppage, jam or hiccup. Make sure it works every time you pull the trigger. Yes, good carry ammo is expensive, but how much is your life worth? If you really need to shoot this ammo, your life will truly depend upon it. Also, rotate your carry ammo at least once per year. Ammo has a long life and can still work perfectly after many years. But there is no reason to risk an issue with ammo that has become corroded or damaged through extensive carry.


“How reliable is ‘reliable’ for your concealed-carry gun? You don’t need to be like the military and shoot tens of thousands of rounds.” If you ever have an issue with your ammo, switch brands or loads until you find one that always works. Keep in mind that every stoppage is not an ammo-related stoppage. Bad magazines can cause a failure to feed, and improper hand positioning can cause a failure to eject. When you experience a problem, take the time to discover the cause before you blame the ammunition.


“Even if you do pay the money and attend a reputable defensive handgun training course, and even if you graduated as the Top Gun, understand that was just the beginning.” Defensive pistolcraft is a perishable skill. You need to practice and you should—at least annually—seek further evaluation and training to stay in top form. The best basketball player in the world, regardless of who you might think that is, did not learn to shoot a foul shot properly and then stopped practicing. Practice and learning are two things that should never stop.


“If you pay the money to take a defensive handgun course, don’t go there to teach—go there to learn.” In other words, this isn’t the place to say, “But I think this way is better.” Listen to the instructors; after all, what are you paying them for? At the same time, if you see unsafe practices or stupid stuff being done on the range, take your toys and go home. It has become en vogue for some trainers to ask students to stand downrange during live fire so that they “know what it’s like” for bullets to whiz by them. If you are asked to do that, pack your pistol and walk/run off the range.


“Find a course on mindset and awareness.” The pistol is not the only tool available to you. Read Jeff Cooper’s excellent book Principles of Personal Defense every year. Make sure your loved ones read it, too. As Steinbeck once wrote, “The sword is more important than the shield and skill is more important than either. The final weapon is the brain. All else is supplemental.”


“Find a good lawyer and visit with them about the laws in your jurisdiction.” No, we are not talking about a divorce or tax lawyer. You need to talk with a lawyer familiar with criminal prosecution and defense. Put their card in your wallet; it might end up being one of the most important calls you ever make.


“Never stop learning.” That includes following the news to see what methods the miscreants are using to harm us. It means staying in contact with your firearms instructor to discover new techniques or receive simple reminders. And it means keeping up with the tools of the trade that can keep you alive. Not just guns, but other less-lethal or security devices, too.

This article is from the winter 2018 issue of Ballistic Magazine. For subscriptions or individual copies, please visit